As the nation mourns George Floyd, Alicia Thoj joins Justin and Stephen to talk about race from a Hmong perspective. They talk about the protests and riots in the Twin Cities, where Alicia lives, and what she is processing as she stands for Black Lives. Alicia shares about the process of rediscovering Jesus as a person of color, and she, Justin, and Stephen talk about ways they have seen Jesus in the last week. A musical composition by Marcus Dip Silas, entitled “A Dirge for the Gentle Giant” pays tribute to George Floyd.

Resources from this episode:

Black Fear and Distrust in Hmong America

Jon Lundberg shares a perspective on Jesus in the passion narrative

“A Dirge for the Gentle Giant” by Marcus Dip Silas available for download from the episode page at

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